Seen at the Mickleover Winter meet 2019

The following “new to me” parts were seen at the UK 7mm NGA Trent Valley local groups “winter meet” on the 26th January 2019 at Mickleover, near Derby, and may be of interest to Maine two Foot modelers, particularly those who follow the Bridgton line.

This picture shows the Grandt Line part number 3629 (left), placed against a drawing of the Hetch Hetchy part #8601 from the Portland Products catalogue.

Apart from not having a central mullion dividing the lower panel, it appears to be identical to station doors used on the original stations on the Bridgton line. For the Bridgton modeler it is a relatively simple matter to add this piece compared to scratch-building a complete door and frame.

This picture shows the Grandt Line window part number 3762 (left) described as 30″ x 56″ 6/6 double hung compared to the Tichy Train Group window part number 2006 (group of three) described as double hung window, 38″ wide x 66″ high, with glazing & shades (not shown).

The Grandt Line item is a standard choice for the Bridgton line modeller, but the Tichy part will be a useful addition where larger windows are required.

 

 

 

Farewell to Grandt Line

Grandt Line was a major supplier of injection moulded parts for US Outline Railroad modelers in various scales for nearly sixty years, but was closed by the existing family members in the Fall of 2018. Fortunately for modelers, the tooling, production machinery and rights to make parts were sold to The San Juan Company.

This post will focus on Grandt Lines activities and parts to support O scale Maine Two Foot modeling.

The company was started some 60 years ago by Cliff Grandt, an exceptional modeler as well as a toolmaker, who had a hankering for narrow gauge prototypes. From a recent search through the early issues of Finelines and Slim Gauge News, it seems  that one of Cliff’s first Maine Two Foot items was the SR&RL Railcar pedestal axlebox introduced in 1968.

In 1972 following the exit of a previous supplier a couple of years earlier, Grandt Line plugged a major gap in vital materials when they introduced their Two Foot wheel sets to ¼AAR standards, shown below.

Note the Boston lettering on the face of the wheel.

Whilst the majority of the items produced by Grandt Line for retail sales were injection moulded plastic, the company also produced some items in brass mainly for trade customers, such as the door and window sets some of which are illustrated below, which were commissioned by Custom Brass for use in the manufacture of their imported  brass passenger car models in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s and have subsequently been offered to the retail market in both brass and plastic.

 

In 1982 Grandt Line produced a generic Maine Two Foot freight car truck, moulded in Delrin, and which is still available – one of the staples for many Maine On2 modellers over the years.

 

Other parts produced specifically for the Maine Two Foot rolling stock modeler were the 4 rung ladders for the B&SR boxcars, stake pockets suitable for two foot flat cars and the large nut and square washers used on the ends of truss rods by the SR&RL and WW&FR with scale reproductions of the company lettering.

 

In addition, the company acquired the tooling of the Hetch Hetchy Scale Models concern and re-introduced a number of Maine Two Foot specific doors, windows and other architectural details.

The company employed a number of family members and they decided that on their  retirement in 2018 that they would prefer to close the business as Grandt Line and offer the tooling and production rights for sale to another supplier.

In the Fall/Autumn of 2018 the Grandt family announced that the production rights and tooling had been acquired by The San Juan Company in Colorado.

The San Juan Company made a general announcement of intending to continue to supply parts in the future. In a message posted to the Maine On2 group on the 14th November 2018, Doug Junda (one of the owners of The San Juan Company) stated that they were currently building inventory in California prior to moving equipment to Colorado.

In a general message posted in January 2019, Doug Junda stated that they had finished building inventory and were now moving the stocks of O scale parts and some related production machinery to Colorado.

We have retained our side bar link to the Grandt Line web site for the time being as it still contains much useful information for the modeller.

Updated  27 September 2019 & 17 Jan 2019 

 

Hetch Hetchy Scale Models – a work in progress

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Hetch Hetchy Scale Models were based in Hamden, Connecticut and run by expert modeler Andy Miller. The company actively promoted their kits for water tanks and logging equipment in magazines such as The Narrow  Gauge and Shortline Gazette from the mid to late 1970’s.

It is believed that Bob Werner of The Hobby Barn arranged for Hetch Hetchy Scale Models to produce injection moulded styrene detail parts for Maine Two Foot and other New England prototypes that were retailed exclusively by The Hobby Barn, and included in a number of Peter Barney’s Sandy River Car Shops kits.

An idea of what Hetch Hetchy offered is given by the listings from the Hobby Barn catalog of the late 1970’s;-


Note that doors 8605 & 8606 are shown upside down in their frames.

Hetch Hetchy Scale Models were a major supplier of parts to SRCS for their Strong Station and similar kits. A selection of the Hetch Hetchy parts from the SRCS O scale Strong Station kit is shown below.

Most Hetch Hetchy parts are noted for their fine detail and the sharpness of their moulding, but the Strong Chimney part is unique for representing an old weathered stack with uneven surfaces as seen in close up below.

 

In the early 2000’s, after a fairly long period of parts not being available, the moulds were acquired by the Grandt Line company and many parts were re-introduced, a few of which are shown below.

 

Here is a partial listing of the Maine Two Foot parts originally produced by Hetch Hetchy which were listed by Grandt Line.

O scale Maine Windows

 

Hetch Hetchy p/n Description Grandt p/n
8401 6 pane 30” x 28” 3761 Kingfield Station
8402 12 pane 30” x 56” 3762 Kingfield Station
8403 12 pane 38” x 86” 3763 Kingfield Station? 
8404 2 pane 28” x 26” 3764
8405 3 pane 28” x 48” 3765
8406 3 pane 28” x 64” 3766
8407 2 pane 18” x 78” 3767 Strong Station
8408 4 pane 38” x 78” 3768 Strong Station
8409 Double 4 pane 78” x 78” 3769 Strong Station
8410 Pool Hall Window 56” x 82” 5 pane 3779

O scale Maine Doors

Hetch Hetchy p/n Description Grandt p/n
8601 4 panel 34” x 7’ 6” 3629 Bridgton style?
8602 4 panel w/window 34” x 6’ 10” ? Kingfield?
8605 7 panel 39” x 7’ 3” 3630 Strong Station
8606 7 panel 49” x 7’ 3” 3631 Strong Station

O scale Maine Details

Hetch Hetchy p/n Description Grandt p/n
8801 Chimney ???? Strong Station
8802 Eaves Braces 3558 Strong Station
8803 Cupola Louvres 3570 Strong Station

 

Rev 4; 27 January 2019

Passenger car models availability by prototype roadnames;- SR&RL

SR&RL Passenger cars and Models with selected Predecessor roads                                         Rev 3                          30-11-2018

SR&RL #

Type

Build  Date

Builder

Previous RR & #

Dates

Previous RR & #

Dates

Models

4

Baggage

1876

Ranlet Car Company

B&B A

1876-78

SRRR 2

1879-1908

DRL-102

6

Baggage

1876

Portland Terminal

F&M 4

1903-08

F&M 2

1887-1903

6

RPO

1912

7

Baggage

1889

P&R 5

1889-1908

DRL (*/#)

8

RPO

1891

Billmeyer & Small

SRRR 7

1891-1908

NJ/CB, Grandt Line, DRL (**/#)

9

Parlor

1901

Jackson & Sharp

SRRR Rangeley

1901-08

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

11

Combine

1885

Laconia

F&M  Carrabassett

1885-1908

Grandt Line, DRL (*/**/#)

12

Combine

1876

Ranlet Car Company

B&B Fawn

1876-78

SRRR 4

1879-1908

DRL (*/#)

13/15

Combine

1890

Billmeyer & Small

P&R 1

1890-1908

13/15

Combine renum 15

1922

NJ/CB

14

Combine

1903

AC&F

F&M 3

1901-08

Car Works

14

Combine rebuilt

1929

Car Works

16

Coach

1876

Ranlet Car Company

B&B Sylvan

1876-78

SRRR 3

1879-1908

DRL (*/#)

17

Coach

1884

Laconia

SRRR 5

1884-1908

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

18

Coach

1884

Laconia

SRRR 6

1884-1908

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

19

Coach

1890

Billmeyer & Small

P&R 2

1890-1908

NJ/CB, Grandt Line

20

Coach

1891

Billmeyer & Small

P&R 4

1891-1908

NJ/CB, Grandt Line

21

Coach

1903

AC&F

F&M 2

1903-08

Car Works

22

Coach

1903

AC&F

SRRR 8

1903-08

Car Works

26

Excursion

1899

P&R

1889-1908

27

Excursion

1899

P&R

1889-1908

28

Excursion

1899

P&R

1889-1908

29

Excursion

1907

SRRR

30

Excursion

1907

SRRR

31

Excursion

1908

SRRR

Note: only those cars which are known to have been transferred to the SR&RL roster in 1908 are shown in this table.

Deerfield River Laser has full kits for former B&B stock; see http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/NGCarsPage.html and also the FAQ posts for B&B and SRRR. Full kits are coded as DRL-102 etc. in the above table.

Deerfield River Laser make 36 foot Quik-Kits (coded * in this table), 46 foot kits (coded ** in this table) and 6 foot 6 inches wide ends (coded # in this table) which are replacement side (and ends) conversion kits for passenger cars using Bachmann Passenger cars as donor vehicles at http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/CarsSidesList.html

November 2018 update: Grandt Line made O scale door and window sets for SR&RL passenger rolling stock as shown in the picture below, but the company is currently being sold. The production rights and tooling have been acquired by The San Juan Company in Colorado, and they have made a general announcement of intending to continue to supply parts in the future. In a message posted to the Maine On2 group on the 14th November, Doug Junda (one of the owners of The San Juan Company) stated that they were currently building inventory in California prior to moving equipment to Colorado.

The picture above shows some of the SR&RL passenger car doors and windows previously available from Grandt Line.

Passenger car models availability by prototype roadnames;- P&R

P&R Passenger cars                                           Rev 2                   dated: 30-11-2018 

RR

#

Type

Model Builder

Notes

Current status

Builder

Date

P&R

1

Combine Transferred to SR&RL #13 1908

scrapped by Edaville frame used to build #20 coach

Billmeyer & Small

1890

P&R

2

Coach NJ/CB, Grandt Line Transferred to SR&RL #19 1908

MNGRR

Billmeyer & Small*

1891

P&R

3

Coach Burned at Greene’s farm 1904, rebuilt as caboose

scrapped in rebuild as caboose

Billmeyer & Small*

1891

P&R

4

Coach NJ/CB, Grandt Line Transferred to SR&RL #20 1908

MNGRR

Billmeyer & Small*

1891

P&R

5

Baggage DRL (*/#) Transferred to SR&RL #7 1908

scrapped 1935?

1889

P&R

Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #26 1908

scrapped 1924

Unknown

1899

P&R

Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #27 1908

scrapped 1935?

Unknown

1899

P&R

Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #28 1908

scrapped 1924

Unknown

1899

Deerfield River Laser make 36 foot Quik-Kits (coded * in this table), 46 foot kits (coded ** in this table) and 6 foot 6 inches wide ends (coded # in this table). See the Deerfield River Laser Two foot page for further details;- http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/CarsSides.html

November 2018 update: Grandt Line made O scale door and window sets for SR&RL passenger rolling stock as shown in the picture below, but the company is currently being sold. The production rights and tooling have been acquired by The San Juan Company in Colorado, and they have made a general announcement of intending to continue to supply parts in the future. In a message posted to the Maine On2 group on the 14th November, Doug Junda (one of the owners of The San Juan Company) stated that they were currently building inventory in California prior to moving equipment to Colorado.

The picture above shows some of the SR&RL passenger car doors and windows previously available from Grandt Line.

 

 

 

Passenger car models availability by prototype roadnames;- SRRR

SRRR Passenger cars                                             Rev 2               dated: 23-11-2018

RR

#

Type

Model Builder

Notes

Current status

Builder

Date

SRRR

1

Baggage DRL-103 ex B&B B, used as  baggage 1879 SRRR #1, leased to F&M as caboose, rebuilt 1906, renum #5 1908

burned 1920 (no record of rebuilding), scrapped 1926

SRRR

2

Baggage DRL-102 ex B&B A, transferred to SR&RL #4 1908

Ranlet Car Co – Laconia

1876

SRRR

3

Coach DRL (*/#) ex B&B “Sylvan”, by 1890 ellipse board name removed, transferred to SR&RL #16 1908

destroyed 1960

Ranlet Car Co – Laconia

1876

SRRR

4

Combine DRL (*/#) ex B&B “Fawn”, transferred to SR&RL #12 1908

destroyed 1950

Ranlet Car Co – Laconia

1876

SRRR

5

Passenger

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

Transferred to SR&RL #17 1908

SR&RL Museum SRRR #5

Laconia

1884

SRRR

6

Passenger

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

Transferred to SR&RL #18 1908

SR&RL Museum SRRR #6

Laconia

1884

SRRR

7

RPO – Baggage NJ/CB, Grandt Line, DRL (*/**/#) Transferred to SR&RL #8 1908

destroyed

Billmeyer & Small

1893

SRRR

8

Passenger Car Works Transferred to SR&RL #22 1908

destroyed 1960’s

AC&F

1903

SRRR

Rangeley

Parlor Car

Car Works, DRL (*/**/#)

Transferred to SR&RL #9 Rangeley 1908

stored at MNGRR

Jackson & Sharp

1901

SRRR

B?

Excursion ex B&B B?, rebuilt as Caboose #1, referred to as F&M #1  rebuilt again 1906, renum #5 1908

burned 1920 (no record of rebuilding), scrapped 1926

Ranlet Car Co – Laconia

1876

SRRR

C?

Excursion DRL-102 ex B&B C?, rebuilt as Caboose #3

scrapped in rebuild

Ranlet Car Co – Laconia

1876

SRRR

 –

Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #29 1908

converted to pulprack 1924

Unknown

1906

SRRR

 Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #30 1908

converted to pulprack 1924

Unknown

1906

SRRR

 Excursion Transferred to SR&RL #31 1908

scrapped 1935?

Unknown

1907

Deerfield River Laser make 36 foot Quik-Kits (coded * in this table), 46 foot kits (coded ** in this table) and 6 foot 6 inches wide ends (coded # in this table). See the Deerfield River Laser Two foot page for further details;- http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/CarsSides.html

Deerfield River Laser has full kits for former B&B stock; see http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/NGCarsPage.html and also the FAQ posts for B&B and SRRR. Full kits are coded as DRL-102 etc. in the above table.

Deerfield River Laser make 36 foot Quik-Kits (coded * in this table), 46 foot kits (coded ** in this table) and 6 foot 6 inches wide ends (coded # in this table) which are replacement side (and ends) conversion kits for passenger cars using Bachmann Passenger cars as donor vehicles at http://www.deerfieldriverlaser.com/CarsSidesList.html

November 2018 update: Grandt Line made O scale door and window sets for SR&RL passenger rolling stock as shown in the picture below, but the company is currently being sold. The production rights and tooling have been acquired by The San Juan Company in Colorado, and they have made a general announcement of intending to continue to supply parts in the future. In a message posted to the Maine On2 group on the 14th November, Doug Junda (one of the owners of The San Juan Company) stated that they were currently building inventory in California prior to moving equipment to Colorado.

The picture above shows some of the SR&RL passenger car doors and windows previously available from Grandt Line.